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Advertising revenue is a necessary component of our financial strategy to not only keep the lights on, but to continue working on improvements to the site. It also allows us to bring new ideas to fruition so we can continue to be a source of human-verified truth in an ever-increasing AI-influenced world. Implementing improvements and new projects takes revenue, and we’d be doing a disservice to ourselves and you by not trying to find responsible means of maximizing that revenue to accomplish those goals.

So, what does this all mean in actual concrete terms?

Native ads will be added in between Question posts, at a rate of one ad every five posts, with the first one being slotted between the 2nd and 3rd post of a site.

Native ads, by definition, are designed to look and feel like a natural addition to a site. As you can see in the image below, the team worked very hard to make the ads feel like a part of the site while still very clearly being labeled as an advertisement.

Native ads mockup image, with labels pointing out differently shaded background, "Sponsored" label, tags working as normal, etc.

Some key highlights to note:

  • Partner is clearly designated
  • Partner logo is on the left to clearly indicate a sponsored post
  • Providing links to the utilized tags (which go to their normal tag pages, not part of the ad) provides transparency on how the ads are being chosen/utilized
  • The native ads follow the same strict criteria required of partners who purchase our banner ads
  • The “Report this ad” link works the same as it has, and is on every native ad
  • The tag links still lead to tag index pages, as always

FAQ

Why is there not a background color on the ads?

The background color was removed from the early mockup image the moderators saw because it causes more issues with readability/accessibility. For accessibility with color contrast and text we use APAC standards. Our minimum is Lc60 for text. NOTE - The image above is just a snippet screen grab, rather than the original file.

When are the native ads coming?

The current plan is to begin sales efforts this month, with the ads themselves going live in January 2026.

What if we feel a specific ad doesn’t belong on a site?

Click the “Report this ad” link and fill in the requested information so the team can review the ad.

Will site ads be relevant to the site they’re posted on?

Yes, they will. (You shouldn't be seeing Java language course advertisements on Pets Stack Exchange, for example.) If you find one that isn’t appropriate, use the “Report this ad” link.

I currently have the ‘reduced ads’ privilege on this site. Will that impact these ads?

No. The “reduced ads” privilege only applies to leaderboard-style ads. More information on this privilege can be found here.

Can we opt out of seeing these ads?

No. Native ads will be displayed to all site users.

Will these ads be on MathOverflow?

No. The company has always had this special arrangement with MathOverflow, and we continue to honor it. Because Native Ads are rolling out only to sites that currently get ads, and MathOverflow does not currently get ads, the site will also not get Native Ads. This aligns with the text of the agreement as posted. If we decide at some future point to change this, we will reach out to MathOverflow, as specified in the agreement, and seek consent prior to doing so.

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    🤮 These "native ads" that look like real content are horrible. I'd even go as far as to say that it's deceptive, just because at a very quick glance, it doesn't clearly look like an ad. Commented 2 days ago
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    This was announced to moderators in advance, where I got confirmation that ads will override ignored tags: it is possible to, say, get an ad tagged [dnd-5e-2024] even if you have questions with that tag hidden. Commented 2 days ago
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    Are we going to continue using the same report this ad functionality that either doesn’t work or requires so much effort that they never get reported? Commented 2 days ago
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    why does the report dialogue require an image at all? it is linked from a specific ad, so I'd assume you know which ad is involved. and 'appropriate to the site' is surely a joke. tex.se recently had ads for suitcases. what does that have to do with tex? we've also had ads where an accidental click resulting in half a dozen identical tabs opening, which is simply obnoxious. but I don't report them because the effort involved is just not worth it and I don't want to have to download copies of ads to my machine in order to upload them back to you, which I suppose is what would be needed. Commented 2 days ago
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    Native ads are, by design, misleading. They are designed to look like content, but are not subject to the same editorial review as the other content. Native advertising is inherently sleezy, as are most of the companies and brands that push it. This will do significant damage to the Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange brands. Commented 2 days ago
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    How about a special tag, all caps, extra large bold font, eg: ADVERTISEMENT Commented 2 days ago
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    In the example screenshot, the "Ad" and "Sponsored" labels have a luminance contrast ratio of 3.8:1, which is below the WCAG's AA minimum threshold of 4.5:1. (The AAA guideline requires a minimum of 7:1.) Please fix this for accessibility. Commented 2 days ago
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    Also, boo for interstitial ads. I understand and even support to a large extent advertising on free sites (like Stack Overflow). However, you should always place ads in sidebars, headers, and footers where they belong. Commented 2 days ago
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    These ads will not be visible to people who arrive at a Stack Exchange question from searching the Web. So the target audience is people searching Stack Exchange websites directly. Aren't these people usually looking to answer questions or otherwise contribute? Are volunteers the target audience of the ads? Commented 2 days ago
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    Wow, this is awful. I hope my adblockers work on it. Commented 2 days ago
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    You say "so we can continue to be a source of human-verified truth in an ever-increasing AI-influenced world", but you also keep pushing AI on SO. How about you stop trying to shoehorn AI into SO so that you can "continue to be a source of human-verified truth in an ever-increasing AI-influenced world"? Commented 2 days ago
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    From a $1.8 billion dollar acquisition to desperate enough to run native ads. The company was never worth that much, but pivoting from an increasingly rare strength (expert human answers) to a highly competitive weakness (mediocre AI features) sure didn't help. Commented 2 days ago
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    @DavidC.Rankin ads are not inherently bad, neither from a moral nor from a practical standpoint. They are one of the few ways the network's old model could be financed ethically. It's the specific implementation that makes this both a jerk move and harmful to the network. Commented 2 days ago
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    "It also allows us to bring new ideas to fruition so we can continue to be a source of human-verified truth in an ever-increasing AI-influenced world." Your post really didn't need that sentence. It hasn't been even a week since you pushed AI Assist feature on the network and spammed everyone with its inbox notification. If it weren't for users fighting tooth and nail against AI features we would have them popping out of every corner including user posted content and AI bot answers. So this sentence sounds a bit disingenuous when you are talking about pushing rather deceptive ads to the sites. Commented yesterday
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    Yet another announcement with a score below -100 about a new feature which will go ahead regardless of what we say. At what point should we vote to close all of these announcements as "does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community"? It's clear these announcements generate a lot of discussion and feedback, but also clear that SO, Inc. do not seek that discussion and feedback, and don't care about it whatsoever. Commented yesterday

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Native ads, by definition, are designed to look and feel like a natural addition to a site. As you can see in the image below, the team worked very hard to make the ads feel like a part of the site

That's the problem. A tiny bit of grayscale text saying "Sponsored" does not count as clearly delineating advertisement content and actual content. You are sacrificing the reputation and reliability of the network by presenting ads in the same style as actual content instead of them being clearly distinct.

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    It's clearly a disguise to get our clicks at all cost. It's only a matter of time until StackOveflow start showing popups with ads on clicks anywhere. Commented yesterday
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When this was previously announced to moderators, the native ads had a background that was a different color.

There was feedback that this color was not different enough; it was so near to white that depending on monitor it might not be perceptible as non-white.

Since then, apparently it was just decided to keep no background difference and to make the ad less distinguishable rather than more distinguishable from real content.

Look, I understand there is pressure to make more revenue from ads, but this is the kind of thing that frustrates me about a site and makes me stop using it. If you trick me once and I accidentally click on an ad I didn't realize was an ad, you got your click and lost your user.

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    Maybe it's a short-term vs. long-term thing. In the short-term it might generate some additional income at the cost of income in the long run. Commented 2 days ago
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Echoing a comment here - adverts that look like SE content looks awful and can be potentially misleading.

If we are to have adverts, they need to be very clearly differentiated from the surrounding content.

The screenshot above is very much a surprise to us mods as it was to the rest of the members here, the mock-up was changed.

Due to the unique way in which Stack Teams works (which hosts the moderator teams content), any questions that are edited do not get bumped to the top - every question is ordered by the date of creation, not modification. This is the default sort order on Stack Teams, it can be overridden, but people miss doing that. In essence, the updated mock-up pictures were added by stealth and without anyone being alerted there was a change. I suspect that the change was made in good faith, but the way the platform works, no one would see the change unless they happened to open a question that's way down the page. Hence, no one knew to offer feedback for the updated image.

There was feedback in the moderator space that the adverts looked too much like the surrounding content and weirdly, this has been changed to make them look more like the surrounding content.

Changes of the mock-up from what the moderators fed back to:

  • The adverts had a shaded background that highlighted adverts. There was feedback that the shading wasn't clear enough. For some reason, the shading has now been removed.

  • The icon on the adverts used to be on the right, and the text was left-aligned (so that the text was in line with the vote summaries on the left hand side, further differentiating the advert due to the position of the text.

  • In the previous version, there was a speech bubble pointing at the advert indicating "No deceptive behavior". This speech bubble has now been removed. It's uncertain as to whether this means that there is now deceptive behavior. Or possibly the deceptive behavior is "add more camouflage".

In the previous mock-up, it was clear that the adverts were adverts, and now ambiguity and uncertainty seems to have been baked in.

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    There needs to be more 🤢, 🤮, 😠, and 😡, but yes. Misleading ads are awful. Commented 2 days ago
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    Yes. Not being deceived by ads is one of the draws of these sites. Commented 2 days ago
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    The ads have a logo, but I don't think that's sufficient. Maybe a different background tint would help, although that has to be done carefully or the text can become unreadable to those with colour vision difficulties. Commented 2 days ago
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    I think the tags are the thing I hate the most. They act like camouflage, helping the ads blend in. Commented 2 days ago
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    To Stack Exchange, the fact that they are misleading, is a feature, not a bug. Commented 2 days ago
  • @RobbyCornelissen to SE the ads are money, for the advertisers the fact that they are misleading is good marketing, not a bug. Commented 2 days ago
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    And that's kind of a thing here. We got asked for feedback, the feedback was acknowledged - then the company didn't follow the feedback, making things worse rather than better. So, what's the value of our feedback? Commented yesterday
  • @JourneymanGeek Thanks for pointing this out - I had no clue, no clue! That people also gave feedback(I guess I am still new to meta/etc? I don't use it very much but..Anyway) I didn't know it was that rough. I'm, still shocked - to put it mildly. It really matters that they look at the answers & comments here now though; because clearly many people are against these, uh what I call "camo ads" Commented yesterday
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    "Due to the unique way in which Stack Teams works (which hosts the moderator teams content), any questions that are edited do not get bumped to the top - every question is ordered by the date of creation, not modification." – Minor note: You can change the sort of the Questions list from Newest to Active (or Bountied, Unanswered, etc.), just like you can on regular SE network sites – and it does remember whatever sort option you last selected, just as on the SE network – but the default sort is Newest, as you describe. Commented yesterday
  • @V2Blast I know that now, but the default is "Newest". This might be the reason that the recent updating of the mock-up images went entirely unnoticed by the moderation team, otherwise the new screens wouldn't have been such a surprise to people and we might have had a chance to have our say on the updates. Commented yesterday
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    @Snow Definitely done in good faith. My apologies to the mods, I had assumed the lack of additional feedback meant the mods felt that the logo being moved to the left side of the post instead of the right was clear enough. That's on me. I've been (and still am) in the process of gathering the feedback to all of this and passing it on. Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus no blame intended here, and thank you for listening to the feedback. Commented yesterday
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The native ads follow the same strict criteria required of partners who purchase our banner ads

What are these criteria?

Are they the same criteria that permitted this ad on one of the sites I moderate?:

Image of a misleading ad with button-styled text like "Print", a PDF icon, and a "Download button", originally presented on Psychology & Neuroscience Stack Exchange

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    Same process as current ads. I'm not sure when the above ad popped up (hopefully it was reported), but keep in mind that processes have already been tightened across the network to make troublesome ads less likely. As always though, if you come across an ad you feel is not appropriate (or even just not appropriate for the site it showed up on), be sure to use the Report This Ad link so it can be investigated. Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus The report ad function is extremely annoying. Unacceptably so, in my mind (I need an IMAGE of the ad? come on). I'm sure I at least attempted to report it, and also raised the issue in multiple other places, but don't remember if there was any return communication about it. Commented yesterday
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    Apparently here I did report that I was able to report it: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/404116/… But "report ad" should be an absolute last resort. Visitors to the website aren't going to bother reporting ads, they're just going to go away. Commented yesterday
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    Thanks for the feedback (genuinely). I'll pass that on to the team that handles the ad reports. If I get confirmation changes to that system are being worked on (or definitively will be in the future), I'll let you know. Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus Thanks, I appreciate it (also genuinely)! Commented yesterday
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    I asked the team about the report ads and while no promise or potential timeline was shared, there are ideas being discussed on how to potentially improve the system in the future. Commented yesterday
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    Here's what they were able to tell me: Sometimes ads can be broken for different reasons, either on our side from HTML/CSS/JS changes on the site, or from accidents in our processes like uploading a Creative image with the wrong pixel density (Or even the wrong image), or from issues with targeting like accidentally showing the ad in the wrong language for the region. The screenshot (in theory) increases the chance that we can actually identify the specific issue a user is seeing, when combined with the description they provide. Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus I understand why it could be useful to them. I would like to somehow to convey to them that someone already irritated by an ad likely does not want to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to report it, and presenting those hoops makes it seem like they'd just prefer you not report at all. If I am not reporting an issue with HTML/CSS or the wrong pixel density or whatever, I'm reporting that an ad is a scam, I shouldn't have to provide a screenshot for you to be able to know whose ad it was and investigate. Commented yesterday
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    I'll pass it on, verbatim, right now. Thanks. Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus Sorry to keep pinging you here after you've already promised to pass on what I've said. It occurred to me to consider why it is that I find this so frustrating, and I think I figured it out: When I report an ad, I'm not asking you to fix something for me. Like, I don't need the ad repaired, it's not a feature for me. I'm letting you know that your own car has a racist bumper sticker. If you're stopping to ask me, well, did you get a picture of it? Were there serifs? Should it be a higher resolution? etc, I'm going to assume you already know and don't want to change it. Commented 18 hours ago
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    My expectation would be instead that you would be horrified to know that this bumper sticker is there and that you'd be immediately making your own effort to go around to the back of the car and see what I'm seeing and that you'd be thankful that someone let you know rather than just assuming that you're a website that supports this kind of ad. Commented 18 hours ago
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    No worries at all. It's precisely what I'm here for ;). I'll pass this on as well (the team knows, but writing out the clear thought process like you did here is good to have as a reminder). Thanks. Commented 17 hours ago
  • Nothing I love more than having to walk the tightrope of clicking on the malicious ad or the itty-bitty "Report ad" link imposed over it. Commented 17 hours ago
  • @Dalmarus For what it's worth, it seems like flagging ads that may be violating guidelines might be a very good use case for an AI solution. Commented 11 hours ago
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It should be very clear that ads are ads, not questions

"Tricking" users into reading the ads by disguising them as questions is probably about as shady as you can get, short of placing unmoderated spam on the site.

  • Make the background a different colour. This will more clearly indicate that it is something different. For obvious reasons, the background colour should also be different from the favourited tags' background colour
  • Respect ignored tags - If I've ignored , why should I see ads tagged with ? That does your ad partners a disservice too, as its extremely unlikely I'll be interested in anything to do with Python
  • By the same token, ad partners should have the same "5 tag" restriction as questions. Otherwise, ads will just end up being tagged with the top 40 tags every time.
  • Give 10k+ users tool pages to review ads placed against tags. Ad moderation should be proactive, not reactive. Put the power in the community's hands to apply some level of moderation on the sorts of ads that appear on certain tags.

These changes would be a massive improvement, though I will say I still don't like this idea at all. Build a merch shop and I'll purchase shirts from you instead.

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    @JourneymanGeek I'm honestly surprised they haven't done this already. And all it would take is partnering with one of the various online services that can print tees, hats, mugs, etc. Commented 2 days ago
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    Considering the average medium sized youtuber seems to manage it, I'm a little surprised how hard its been for them to work it out. Commented 2 days ago
  • Perhaps you got it backwards about the ignored tags, friend. If you ‘re looking for C# questions, and you get the add about Python, then the add will be easier to ignore. That’s a good thing for you. Commented yesterday
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    @Robotnik Re: the blocked tag portion, I do have an answer for that from the mod preview post - "At launch, confirmed you'd still see the ad. For after initial launch, it may get blocked, but unlikely due to limitations on the amount of data sent via the ad request. Since you brought it up though, it's now part of the conversation." Commented yesterday
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    @NickAlexeev I have said it before at some point, but I am not against ads, in general, I dislike ads that are animated, that are irrelevant, that displace the content of the page (why I'm against this particular incarnation), or that try to trick the user or pretend to be something theyre not (fake download buttons etc). Ads that are thoughtful, relevant in context, and constructive/helpful? Good! Great even! Commented yesterday
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SE had very reasonable ads in the past, compared to the usual internet standards. The ads got more flashy and annoying over time, but still better than on many sites. This change is pushing the ad freqency up quite a bit. Assuming a 15 item page size, this increases ads on question list pages from 2 (sidebar) to a total of 5 ads per page.

It's still better than a lot of sites, but that's only because ads are often outright terrible on many sites. So I don't think that is the standard that should apply here.

The core idea behind Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network is to prioritize the signal-to-noise ratio of our content. Ads are by definition not signal, they're noise. You're adding a significant amount of noise to the site, and there will be a point where this compromises the usefulness of the Q&A system. Doesn't help if we offer concise and high quality answers to specific questions if you have to wade through tons of ads to get there.

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    I'm not worried about the ads, it's the user tracking that comes with them that has me concerned. Commented 2 days ago
  • "Doesn't help if we offer concise and high quality answers to specific questions if you have to wade through tons of ads to get there." And that may even limit the additional revenue. I'm sure there is an optimal amount of ads for maximal revenue and beyond that customers are simply going elsewhere. Commented 2 days ago
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I've seen things that indicate that network activity, like visitors, new questions, and new answers is trending downward. Although I recognize the need to make money for the platform and services, I see this as the kind of change that could drive people away even more. It may not be a huge numerical impact, but it seems unwise to introduce any kind of change that would have a negative impact on activity without doing things to drive that activity up in other ways.

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    Yes. They have been working on finding ways to increase activity—and the first sentence in the OP might have been referring to that—but I imagine it's important to keep focus on the kinds of activity that continue to draw more people in, as opposed to people's last engagements before they give up and go away. Commented 2 days ago
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    @DanGetz It doesn't matter what they are working on. They haven't shipped anything that has led to an improvement (at least on the three sites where I'm a moderator and have access to analytics). Yet they are going to ship something that is likely to hurt engagement and cause harm to activity. Commented 2 days ago
  • That's always the problem with ads. Nobody likes them except that they may pay for the service. Somewhere there must be an optimum where the inconvenience is just about tolerable. Is this it? Your guess is a good as mine. They might be shooting themselves in the foot there. Commented 2 days ago
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The “reduced ads” privilege only applies to leaderboard-style ads.

Leaderboard-style ads being horizontal strips shown in the main (central) column of the site?

Old Help Centre image, showing horizontal "leaderboard-style" ad regions in red.

These native ads are clearly leaderboard-style ads, for the purposes of the “reduced ads” privilege. It should apply to these, too.

Users with enough reputation to have earned the “reduced ads” privilege are the reason anyone's looking at these ads. Exposing them to irritants is an exceptionally short-sighted move, just from a naïve profit-seeking perspective.

It is a rational profit-seeking move if you think the network's got absolutely no future, and pennies now is worth thousands later. But I really hope you don't think this.

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I assume that ads are not going to be displayed on MathOverflow, as per the terms of the agreement, see eg https://meta.mathoverflow.net/a/4296/ regarding ads, but also What is MathOverflow's "agreement" with Stack Exchange? for the full text of the agreement. The relevant paragraph is:

  1. It is understood that MathOverflow shall consider in the future the placement of certain announcement serices like job listing in the future. Stack Exchange shall not run advertisements, including internal advertisements, on MathOverflow 2.0 (or any subsequent version thereof), without specific and advance written consent of the MathOverflow.

I, speaking in my personal capacity and not as an MO moderator, would consider SE Inc running ads on MathOverflow in violation of the agreement as a reason to leave the network. This is not personal preference or bucking against SE changes for the sake of it, but a legal contract between SE Inc and MO.

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    Interesting arrangement. Who are the legal representatives of MO currently? Do you know by chance? Commented 2 days ago
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution I am on the board of the MathOverflow corporation, along with the other current moderators, some past moderators, etc. Commented 2 days ago
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    For context, MO was originally a separate website, that just so happened to use the SO software/model in parallel for a few years from late 2009, and then migrated onto the SE platform, with a decent agreement to preserve a measure of independence. Commented 2 days ago
  • Looks like a sensible agreement. MathOverflow could then go its own ways if it wanted to, I presume. Commented 2 days ago
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    @NoDataDumpNoContribution cf meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/5669/… Commented 2 days ago
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    @DavidRoberts I (personally) would also assume that MathOverflow would be exempt for the reasons you listed out, but I'll find out for sure and report back here (probably later in the day due to timezones and the people involved. Thanks for flagging! Commented yesterday
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    @DavidRoberts I reached out to Philippe, our SVP Communities, to ask about this, and he said: "The company has always had this special arrangement with Math Overflow, and we continue to honor it. Because Native Ads are rolling out only to sites that currently get ads, and Math Overflow does not currently get ads, the site will also not get Native Ads. This aligns with the text of the agreement as posted. If we decide at some future point to change this, we will reach out to Math Overflow, as specified in the agreement, and seek consent prior to doing so." Commented yesterday
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    I'll update the FAQ in the post with a Q&A pair for this as well. Commented yesterday
  • @Dalmarus but I hope that the fact I wasn't sure (and that we weren't told up-front) sends a signal about the level of trust in the company at present. Commented yesterday
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    @DavidRoberts Loud and clear. Commented yesterday
  • I wish StackOverflow corp will have similar agreement with StackExchange corp. Unfortunately those are the same company. Commented 23 hours ago
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    @Dalmarus I can't help noticing that Philippe's answer very carefully did not state that MO isn't getting ads because MO was promised it won't get ads. It seems the only reason it isn't getting ads is because "Native Ads are rolling out only to sites that currently get ads, and Math Overflow does not currently get ads". Was this intentional? It feels very sneaky and a prelude to actually putting ads on the site as soon as you start rolling them out to other sites that currently don't have any. Can the company not simply state that it is indeed going to abide by what it agreed to? Commented 23 hours ago
  • @terdon We thought that was clearly stated as is. The phrasing was written that way to indicate MO was never part of the Native Ads discussion because there are no ads on the site. This was not some sidelined way to say they'd be coming. As Philippe stated, the company is and will continue to follow the agreement. Commented 17 hours ago
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    Excellent, thanks @Dalmarus. Sorry to push but since the previous wording was ambiguous and given the very good reasons we all have to distrust SE, I wanted to be sure. Commented 16 hours ago
  • @terdon No problem. Apologies for any confusion. Commented 16 hours ago
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If I can't block ads, I will stop contributing to the network.

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    The moment SO get advantage in ads-vs-adblockers war (this move is clearly an attempt), I'll seriously consider to stop using SO. It might be more fun to join Reddit or help people in GitHub, than to see how company is running countles failed attempts to win more new audience and forgetting completely about having me already on-board. Commented 23 hours ago
  • @Sinatr I don't think even SO are delusional enough to think they will bypass ad blocking for in-page HTML ads like this. To me this just seems like a way to show more ads per page. Commented 16 hours ago
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The “reduced ads” privilege only applies to leaderboard-style ads.

How much marginal viewership of these ads do you expect to get from making these always visible to users who have earned the privilege to hide ads? Given the exponential/log-like distribution of reputation across the userbase (not even mentioning those who don't have an account), is this decision worth annoying people who opt out of ads by their earned privilege?

... To be up front, I feel unhappy that you have decided not to honour the privilege to opt out of ads. I'm going to block these ads to the fullest extent possible anyway, so I don't expect your decision here to be material to myself, but I'm still unhappy that this is what you decided to do.

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    Especially since they are (presumably), just the people you rely on to create content. Commented 2 days ago
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    And how many users do you predict to lose as a result? Is the loss worth it? Commented yesterday
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I am all for ads - I have repeatedly said that this is the only viable way to fund the site in the long run. But please don't slip them in with the Q&A posts, keep them on the side panels.

And please curate ads before they hit the site. There's a great potential value in targeted ads of products that are actually relevant to for example programmers - you can sell such ads for much more and the potential for recurring advertisers is much greater.

Instead of begging the scammer company "Google Ads" for a pittance, in order to display their snake oil/pornographic/animated trash on the sites. Every living soul on the Internet has nothing but bad experience from Google Ads. "Report this ad" - no, that's your job as the publisher. If there are inappropriate ads like for example giving dangerous medical advice, we should report them indeed. To the police.

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    Overall - I'm so tired of this. Whenever there is a new feature or decision to be made, can the company please make a minimum of effort to not always aim for the stereotype: yet another soulless, evil US private company? Could you just once avoid looking at the countless trash sites out there for inspiration of how to turn this site into a trash site too? Commented 2 days ago
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    I wholeheartedly agree here, we have like empty panels right and left, and the ads shall now be used when the questions are? This is - Shocking - to put it mildly. Commented yesterday
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If advertisers wish their advertisements to 'blend in' to the sites on which they are shown, I do not think the 'native ads' described in this post go far enough.

To blend in properly with other questions, such pseudo-questions should behave in the same way as regular questions. Members should be able to

  • vote them up or down;
  • vote to close or delete them;
  • mark them as duplicates;
  • edit them;
  • flag them.

Both pseudo-questions and their authors should be subject to moderation and sanctions in the same way as authors of other questions.

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    In particular, almost all such ads should be immediately closed and deleted for violating the community's standards. Commented yesterday
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    @kaya3 Well, perhaps. But that is really in the hands of the ads' authors. If they make them compelling enough, that might not be the community's reaction. And, after all, that would presumably be in advertisers interests. (Or maybe not since it seems that having your ads almost universally hated doesn't deter people from paying for them. I'm actually quite curious how this works out. I mean in general. I'm not so curious I want to find out experimentally.) Commented yesterday
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Native ads, by definition, are designed to look and feel like a natural addition to a site.

This is a preternaturally honest statement. It means that native ads are designed to look like they are part of the site, meaning that they deserve as much trust as the rest of the site, and can be clicked on as freely as the rest of the site.

In other words, they are designed to trick people into clicking on them; they are designed to override people's inbuilt filters that discriminate between "this is site content that I'm here for" versus "these are some other thing that someone else wants me to see even though I don't."

In other words, they siphon value from the trust people have built up over the years. It's an effective strategy — in the short run.

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    It's a pity that the only solution is to make a product more useless in order to make it more profitable. The longer I think about it, the more I think that in the future there will be different solutions for this. Commented yesterday
  • @NoDataDumpNoContribution I think the only real solution is community ownership ─ if a site is owned and operated by the community of people who use it, they will not choose to make it worse for themselves. Commented yesterday
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These types of ads are extremely deceptive, being designed specifically to misinform users into believing that they are legitimate questions and manipulate them into taking an action that they would not have taken otherwise. The disclaimers have extremely poor contrast, below that of accessibility guidelines, which is designed to reduce the chance that people will notice it before they try to open it. The background is also identical to that of normal questions, further deceiving users.

Far from increasing engagement, this will markedly decrease engagement as new users leave the site the moment they find that they feel they were being manipulated and taken advantage of.

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    Snagging this from another comment response I posted above. I just used a snippet screen grab for the image above. Thanks for the callout. Here's the info provided by the designer since it's probably just showing differently from my system - "we're using #6B6D73 for the "sponsored by" and "ad" text which has an Lc76 on white background and 5.17 : 1 ratio for WCAG" Commented yesterday
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    @Dalmarus Whether or not it ends up meeting the absolute minimum accessibility guidelines doesn't change the fact that the contrast is intentionally low in order to mislead users. Commented yesterday
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I'm not inherently against a website using ads to earn money. But...

  1. The ads are specifically targeting contributors to the site. Those who are looking over the list of questions to help improve them or provide answers. The people who are holding your site up on their shoulders. Those are the group of people you don't want to be targeting with your ads.
  2. You've been gradually increasing the flashiness and quantity of ads over time. When is it going to stop? Yes, it means you can hire more people, but more people to do what? Create things like "discussions"? Or your AI chat bots (which in turn is just another ad)? Given the choice, I'm sure most of the community would rather Stack Overflow have fewer features with less ads.

I'm seeing this happen all over the place - websites that used to have a moderate amount of ads realized that they've got a monopoly on their niche and have the power to ramp up their ads, so they start doing it, more and more and more, turning the site into an absolute mess. It's this kind of behaviour that encouraged me to start using an ad blocker, after trying to avoid it for such a long time (I want to support the sites I use, but it's been getting unrealistic).

It's also this kind of behaviour that alienates your userbase from you - when a new, better competitor comes up, the more ads you use, the quicker people will be to jump ship and flee to the competitor product.

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    This is a very well reasoned, and well written objection. Especially the first point In my honest opinion, and especially the "when a new better competitor comes up" (..) I agree wholeheartedly, thank you for posting this! Commented yesterday
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I don't like this. But there is a Native Ad category I would accept, which:

  • displays in the questions list;
  • doesn't get filtered out by the Reduced Ads privilege; and
  • the community might even appreciate.

That is: high-quality Q&A pairs about the products. Essentially, sponsored spam. Hear me out.

  • The questions get the (or , etc) tag, hardcoded to show at the beginning of the tags list.

    • This tag also appears in the <title> element, when you visit the question page.
  • The questions are posted on the site whose scope they best fit.

    • If they're off-topic for all sites, they go on a specially-created hidden site (like the edX sites). Users can gain reputation here as normal, but – due to the bizarre scope – everyone is pre-emptively question-banned. Questions can only be posted here through the special "submit an ad" flow.
  • While the ad's being paid for:

    • The questions may be inserted into question lists on any site, not just the site they're posted on.
    • The accepted answer is pinned to the top, regardless of the site-wide setting or sort order.
    • The "question is closed" banner is displayed at the bottom of the page, not the top. No closure indicator appears in the question's title.
    • The Q&A cannot be deleted, except by a moderator – but they can be flagged.
      • The "spam" flag category is replaced by "report this ad", and goes through your normal process.
      • "Rude or abusive" should go through your process, but also
      • All other flags can be handled by moderators.
    • Certain editorial standards are suspended, in favour of a stronger "respect authorial intent" policy. Edits to fix typos, formatting errors, and clumsy sentences are still allowed. (Advertisers might provide guidance in HTML comments, such as if a misspelling is deliberate.)

    Once the campaign ends, the questions lose their privileged status, and are treated as any other question. (Perhaps implemented by replacing with .) If the community really likes the Q&A pair, they may even remove the tag and preserve a version of it as ordinary Q&A.

  • Users can contribute new answers, which (aside from never being displayed above the accepted answer) are treated as normal answers: voting, flagging and deleting works as normal. These answers are shown as normal.

  • An advertisement's score is shown in the usual position.

    • I can imagine modifications, such as showing positive scores, but replacing negative scores with the neutral word "Ad".
    • You could provide a service for improving the Q&A pairs before they're posted.
      • The statistics you gather on ad performance would probably support the upsell.
      • You could even pay skilled users to do it! This would help if you're not sure you have the in-house expertise for that particular site, and would provide the advertiser with insight into product-market fit (by engaging a member of the target market who understands how other members of the target market think).
  • Advertisers can include Q&A written by other people in their campaigns. These are handled subtly:

    • An entry is created in the post timeline, to show that they're being used in an ad campaign.
    • When injected into a question list, they are displayed as though they have the tag.
    • When they're visited from the advertisement (as determined by the URL query string), they have the tag in their <title>, and at the beginning of their tag list, and any other visual features that distinguish them from ordinary questions, but do not receive any -related changes to functionality (e.g. answer sorting behaves normally).
    • When they are visited normally, they do not receive the treatment.
    • The advertisers do not have special control over the content of the Q&A. If they want to edit it to be spammier, they should expect those edits to be rejected.

For illustration, I'll provide some examples.

  • One of the cloud computing companies posts a asking "How do I do [complicated thing] with [cloud product]?", and answering with a detailed description of their latest feature. They ask it on Stack Overflow, but advertise it primarily on Server Fault. The question is a big hit, gaining 15 upvotes, and while the answer isn't great (general marketing copy instead of a specific solution), a user provides a separate answer with a clear and concise description of how to solve that problem. Following advice from a comment, the campaign manager changes the accepted answer: the original answer sits on a score of -1. Once the campaign ends, this serves as a useful resource for future users. The original answer is deleted seven months later, after a user flags it as "not an answer".
  • Some alcohol startup asks "What drink maximises programming productivity?" on Beer, Wine & Spirits, answers with their caffeinated alcohol nebuliser, and advertises it on all of the programming sites. Everyone finds it extremely annoying, but being able to downvote the Q&A pair, and upvote the answers saying "the Ballmer peak isn't real" and "nebulised caffeinated alcohol is a terrible idea", acts as a vent for that annoyance. There's an uptick in questions about various dangerous drinking practices people are engaging in with their friends: these receive good answers, and many reach the Hot Network Questions list. A few months later, the startup gets done by the FDA for Deceptive Drug Advertising (among other things), and folds, having funnelled a not-insignificant portion of its VC-funding into Stack Exchange's advertising department. The question is deleted immediately after the campaign ends.
  • A scammer posts a scam all over the cryptocurrency sites. It slips past Stack Exchange's review process (understandably, given how hard it is to distinguish cryptoscams from ordinary cryptocurrency behaviour), but gets caught by the community, and is swiftly deleted by the moderators as per policy, disabling the advertisements. Stack Exchange refunds the scammer's unspent advertising fees (or maybe holds them?), and reports them to the police.

As I see it, this is a win-win. Advertisers get all the eyeballs of a native ad, and perhaps even organic engagement with the subject of their product line (user-provided answers and follow-up questions). Readers get access to the ads that were actually useful, while only being exposed to the rubbish ones while the campaign's taking place. Stack Exchange gets money, and more "Q&A can be useful" mindshare among its advertising clients (which might help sell Stack Internal).

It is an additional burden on us contributors and curators (albeit one we want to take on), but not anywhere near as much of a burden as the current proposal would be. I do not want the risk of accidentally clicking on a phishing link when I think I'm interacting with the site's UI. It's vital that clicking on native ads keeps you on the site, at least until you click on links in the body of the advertisement.

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    Turning around (or better fulfilling?) the old help page's advice: "If the only reason you're here is to sell something or drive traffic to your site, then please avoid posting answers. Our advertising rates are quite reasonable; contact our ad sales team for details." Commented 2 days ago
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    The Poe's Law is strong in this one. Commented 2 days ago
  • This kind of sponsored question and answer appears on Quora. I haven't looked into it much (because I don't click on them), but it seems like it at least initially keeps you on site. Commented 2 days ago
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    Did you mean: Community Promotion Ads Commented 2 days ago
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    I only read the first third of your "sponsored spam" idea but there are already enough things in there which seem impractical or unrealistic (plus some that seem annoying to users) that I don't think I need to read the rest to know this will stay a pipe dream. Remember for a second that we had sponsored collectives on SO with the idea that companies create curated articles. That did not work out, at least in part because the companies couldn't be bothered to create decent content, or even much of any content at all - in which case I can't see your idea working at any nontrivial scale. Commented yesterday
  • @l4mpi And yet, it's strictly better than what's been proposed by Stack Exchange. I made sure that everything here can be accomplished relatively easily in the codebase, except the "Q&A written by other people" bit (which would require extra work, but isn't strictly central to the concept). If companies can't be bothered to create decent content, and don't want to pay SE staff to massage their marketing copy into half-decent on-topic Q&A, then the questions will live and die on a hidden site and not affect the rest of us. Commented yesterday
  • Meanwhile, we'll get all the moderation functionality that cfr demands automatically. Commented yesterday
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    @wizzwizz4 if it's better does not matter if it is not realistic. Of course you could implement the required software changes but that is irrelevant if no customer wants to buy those ads. Your plan requires the companies that want to advertise to buy into a new special untested ad format that's exclusive to SO and spend extra effort to prepare an ad copy. Why would companies accept that risk and spend that extra time and money instead of simply going elsewhere? I cannot see that happen at a relevant scale, especially not as most digital ad spending is concentrated on a few big ad networks. Commented yesterday
  • @l4mpi And I can't see SE's proposed version of Native Ads actually getting any conversions. Sure, companies will pay for it – at first. But when they see it's not working, how much is that going to damage the value of those ad slots? Your point is valid, but we do have a lower bound: there are companies already trying to do so. See the most recent metasmoke entry, for an example. This one, from a few hours ago, is an even better example: that's almost a good contribution! Commented yesterday
  • @wizzwizz4 I can see them get some conversions, mainly by people clicking on it because they do not notice that it's an ad. But when has something being a bad idea ever stopped SE from pressing ahead at full speed? Collectives was DOA as well but took a while to actually die. Re your lower bound - I'm not sure spam companies such as these would buy an ad at any realistic rate even if offered, and if that's the kind of content you're envisioning then I'd rather have popup stripper ads with sound (not that any ad bypasses uMatrix+uBO). Commented yesterday
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    Anyways, I think this is yet another case where SE has decided on a course and this is just a notification that it is going to happen - we can debate and envision whatever but it won't change a thing. The announcement references that "sales efforts" will start this month and given the christmas break that means they're probably already underway by now. So at this point all that's left to do for the community is to shake their heads and watch the incoming trainwreck, and hope that this crashes badly enough that it will be reversed sooner rather than later. Commented yesterday
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    @l4mpi That's the quality I imagine we'd get from companies that weren't interested in doing it properly. It's far below the quality I'd expect from AWS's sales department, or from anything where they paid Stack Exchange staff to copy-edit. But, yes, I'm also hoping they'll reverse course: I have no expectation they'll actually use this idea. (Maybe if I'd thought of it last month… but they shouldn't expect moderators to fix all the bad ideas in private, and it was not my responsibility to try.) Commented yesterday
  • If ads are labeled with tags, then the idea to make the ads respect ignored tags won't work. People will just ignore the ad tag. Commented 18 hours ago
  • @LyndonGingerich That can be special-cased, if required. Ignoring the ad tag would still hide the ads from organic search. Alternatively, SO could just allow the opt-out to work, preventing the ads from being injected into search results: they'd still be posts, so people would still see them (unless they also ignored the tag: most people wouldn't do both, at which point it's a game of finding the least annoying configuration to maximise the number of people who see the ads). Commented 17 hours ago
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The background color was removed from the early mockup image the moderators saw because it causes more issues with readability/accessibility.

Okay, but now you're violating WCAG 2.2 Success Criterion 1.4.11 Non-text Contrast. SC 1.4.3 has an exception for "incidental" material (which would include native ads), but SC 1.4.11 has no such exception. Both are level AA. Given this, SC 1.4.11 takes precedence, and you should revert to your previous design at minimum.


Additionally, native advertisements that take you off Stack Exchange violate Success Criterion 3.2.5 Change on Request. This is level AAA, but I personally do need this. Not having it makes me viscerally averse to interacting with the computer system, in a way that I cannot compensate for; and makes it difficult for me to concentrate when I am interacting with it, because a large portion of my attention is involuntarily occupied keeping track of any system feature that might result in a change of context, and modelling the destination contexts.

I suspect that this accessibility need is overrepresented in your contributor population, making it higher priority than the average level AAA SC. Given that this behaviour is central to the current Native Ads proposal (as opposed to design changes, which are half a month's work and can be done at the end), and also has security implications, I think it's rather urgent.


These days, it seems that you're constantly bringing up "accessibility" as an excuse for objectively bad design decisions. Frankly, I'm fed up with it. Do better.

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  • The lightest text color used will be #6B6D73 (found on the "sponsored by" and "ad" text) which has an Lightness contrast of 76 (APAC) and 5.17 : 1 ratio (WCAG). The colors likely appear a bit different if taken from the uploaded image in this post. Stacks aims to meet the APAC standards for color contrast. Commented yesterday
  • 3.2.5 specifically says: "Changes of context are initiated only by user request or a mechanism is available to turn off such changes." That point seems specific to how/when the context is changed, not that it is changed at all. We only take the user offsite when they click an ad. Commented yesterday
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    @Carrott The Understanding Success Criterion 3.2.5 guidance says "This success criterion aims to eliminate potential confusion that may be caused by unexpected changes of context such as automatic launching of new windows, automatic submission of forms after selecting an item from a list, etcetera." (emphasis mine). A user deliberately selecting an ad, such as in the sidebar, is one thing; a user intending to navigate to a question in the questions list, and instead navigating off-site, is entirely different. Commented yesterday
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    This Success Criterion relates to user expectation. You can say "well they clicked on an ad", but this only works if they know it's an ad, which requires the ad to be obviously distinct from posts, as seen through all modalities (including all screen readers). Again: "The intent of this success criterion is to encourage design of web content that gives users full control of changes of context." (emphasis mine). It doesn't matter how high-contrast the "Ad" label is, if the user didn't saccade to it before clicking. That contrast is necessary, but insufficient. Commented yesterday
  • (@Carrott I feel the need to clarify: you, personally, are not the target of the last part of my answer. I appreciate the work you do, and how you usually respond quickly and well to criticism like my answer, and it's not your fault if you don't magically know stuff that your employer hasn't trained you on. That also goes for other people on the design team who are less active on meta. It's a company-wide (nay, industry-wide) problem, and you're the people working to make it less of a problem, not the people who should be blamed for the problem's existence.) Commented yesterday
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    @Carrott WCAG is not intended to be lawyered over like this, but here's another bit that supports my interpretation: "The change in the content in this case is initiated by user request when they click on the link, but unless the user can be aware that the link will open in a new window then that change of context cannot be regarded as user-initiated." (emphasis mine). I hadn't read this document before: I just understand the basic underlying principles of digital accessibility, and I trust that the WCAG people will have put at least everything I understand into WCAG 2.2 somewhere. Commented yesterday
  • My point about "all modalities (including all screen readers)" is probably better addressed by SC 2.4.4 Link Purpose (In Context) and its AAA counterpart SC 2.4.9 Link Purpose (Link Only). Note that SC 2.4.9 does have an explicit exception such that a SC 2.3.5 violation would not also be a SC 2.4.9 violation, but I don't think you should rely on that. Commented yesterday
  • I'm still fairly certain that saying this fails 3.2.5 is still quite a bit of a stretch. The underlying concern I'm hearing/seeing here (and other comments) is that the ad isn't obvious enough as an ad. The reason, I assume is so that it's easier to ignore ads (and skim past them quickly) — which I get but unfortunately defeats the whole purpose of their existence. Commented yesterday
  • The ad has a "sponsored by" label, a large logo image (very visually different from the other regular list items) and a "report ad" link. We believe that to be enough distinction. I'm happy to include validation for that with research we have planned in the next quarter but still means launching with this version and reviewing all the data after 30-60 days (typically). That will include reviewing how many ads appear on a page at one time as well. Commented yesterday
  • @Carrott Having the large logo image is enough that I'd be able to skim past the ads, and I fully expect this to end up in ad-blocking lists within a day of going live. That's not the point. The point is that all users should be able to clearly distinguish this without unnecessary cognitive load (e.g. parsing technicalities of how their screen reader responds to the slightly-different HTML) so they can avoid accidentally navigating off Stack Exchange, and so that the adverts don't interfere too much with curation activities. Commented yesterday
  • I don't care about skimming past the ads. I do, actually, look at ads. (Not video ads, because they're obnoxiously slow, but written ones definitely.) If you had a page of "ads that have run on the network", I would actively visit it whenever I was so inclined. I do run a client-side malware blocker, which catches your current ad-serving system, but back in the Adzerk days, I had the Reduce Ads privilege disabled, and configured my browser to allow the ads. (I think I toggled it circa 2019.) I liked seeing them: it's how I learned about Microsoft Azure, which I used for a time. Commented yesterday
  • My problem is with obnoxious, privacy-invading, deceptive ads that show sexualised imagery to the people I'm teaching, or try to put malware on my computer. The ship has sailed for regular ads, but it has not yet sailed for this new category of ads. Commented yesterday
  • @Carrott That said: "We believe that to be enough distinction." suggests that the purpose of the change wasn't actually accessibility. The last part of this answer is directed at whoever made the decision to pitch this to us as an accessibility change. It is extremely harmful for most people's first impressions of "accessibility" to be stuff like "that thing that made Stack Exchange's advertising more deceptive": I hate that Stack Exchange's communications are contributing to this perception. Commented yesterday
  • Lastly, "I'm happy to include validation for that with research we have planned" is only going to test averages. Accessibility is not about catering to averages: it's about designing for everyone, the outliers especially. (I haven't used the new system, true, but I expect I'll be such an outlier. I'll let you know if it's actually fine, but I doubt it will be.) Commented yesterday
  • @Carrott A further counterpoint to the "you just want to skim past the ads" claim: my alternative native ads proposal wouldn't require such a visual distinction to satisfy SC 3.2.5, imo. Having the advertiser logo is actually overkill for that, since they are just questions (though I would want something to distinguish "this ad legitimately came up in the list" from "this ad was injected into the list", just for the few instances where that distinction is relevant). Commented yesterday
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we’d be doing a disservice to ourselves and you by not trying to find responsible means of maximizing that revenue

Mingling ads into content in a way that makes them look like content is a very short-term strategy for revenue. This will be very harmful to the usefulness and reputation of Stack Overflow, and will turn people away from the site forever.

I guess the higher-ups figure that Stack Overflow is going down the drain anyway, so they might as well squeeze as much as possible out of it while they still can. It's a shame.

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    My thoughts exactly. When all of this started, we've tried to think of it as incompetence (applying Hanlon's razor) - which would have been a shame, while leaving hope that the company would learn -, but now it becomes apparent that this course has been set intentionally. It is no longer imaginable that the decision-makers don't know where this is going. Commented yesterday
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    Full agreement with the last paragraph. I thought so too. Once traffic starts to go down, one may think that that's it and there will be no reversal ever anyway. Then the only question is how to get the most out of the traffic for as long (or short) that it lasts, which is different from a typical more long-term oriented business. Commented yesterday
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My 2 cents

I agree with most answers here, in particular with Mithical's answer that:

Native ads, by definition, are designed to look and feel like a natural addition to a site. As you can see in the image below, the team worked very hard to make the ads feel like a part of the site

That's the problem. A tiny bit of grayscale text saying "Sponsored" does not count as clearly delineating advertisement content and actual content. You are sacrificing the reputation and reliability of the network by presenting ads in the same style as actual content instead of them being clearly distinct.

this kind of design makes accidental clicks far more likely, something many(including me, who has difficulty seeing details sometimes) had enough of.


Why is this a problem?

Because this will make users feel tricked. When users get tricked - They might not like the site as much as they would have before (and, in my honest opinion, should have, because I believe ads can be done, but it has to be done the proper way.)

The goal of ads

The goal of ads is to get paid already, so maximizing it (especially this way) is kind of wrong, in my honest opinion.

Note, one exception where I "am okay" with "Maximizing ads" is: IFF (If and Only If) Its done in a appropriate way.

For example, an AD (imo) which is acceptable (to me) should be:

  1. clear it is an ad.
  2. not intrusive (say, a big ad taking up content)
  3. malicious in some way ("the user will click more here so place it here")

The natural reaction is either:

  1. they simply turn on ad-blockers. Not because they dislike the site or the ads, but because they can't reliably tell the difference between real posts and inserted ads. Or
  2. they leave the site or use it less, (less likely if you was here much before, but if you are new? Maybe.)

Analogies

I like analogies because they often explain in a more easy-to-read manner.

Analogy 1:

You go to a site to download a file, and all ads say "Download here!" It becomes very very difficult to see where to click.

Analogy 2:

Imagine we walk into a grocery shop (or some other shop) where half the price tags look identical, except some are actual prices, and some are ads, pretending to be prices(for, maybe a product, which is very "small text" hence "camo ad").

Now..This analogy isn't so good but it hopefully still gets the point across.


Outcome

I guess there really are 2 outcomes:

  1. People continue and is not bothered (which, based on this thread, is not likely.)
  2. People are bothered and either use site less or use adblock or if its very intrusive/problematic ads, leave the site and try to find alternatives - hence doing the opposite of what the goal with the ads was.

Take care!

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You are increasingly bullying away the people who contribute the most to this website.

Can you imagine, a highly active community users, one of those who've kept this website running for years, will need to 'filter out' the almost impossible to distinguish looking ads, as soon as the third post and then every 5 more?

Please extend the ‘reduced ads’ privilege so that the people who contributed the most (100k+?) won't have to deal with this nonsense.

First interaction - to show an ad?

... at a rate of one ad every five posts, with the first one being slotted between the 2nd and 3rd post of a site.

So after you've added the 3 useless widgets- then the ai-assistant, this has become my current view of the home page on my 14-inch laptop:

enter image description here

So my first interaction with the site IS JUST TO SHOW AN AD?


If I can't block ads, I will stop contributing to the network.

@philipxy's answer - 2025-12-09 02:41:15Z

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    Oh wow that looks pretty bad. I had forgotten about these widgets as I blocked them ages ago, as I did with the LLM trash recently, so my view starts with "Interesting posts for you". I suspect the ads will not get through uMatrix + uBlock Origin; if they do and are not manually blockable then I might just stop browsing SO entirely. Commented 20 hours ago
  • I assume that "first interaction" is scrolling down. Commented 11 hours ago
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Y'all at Stack Exchange have gone through great pains to highlight the elements that identify these ads as ads. In the screenshot and text of this announcement, you've pointed out (as far as I can count):

  • "Logo"
  • "Sponsored"
  • "Clear Ad Language"
  • "Partner is clearly designated"
  • "Partner logo is on the left to clearly indicate a sponsored post"

Of those five callouts, three were in giant boxes accompanied by giant arrows. The other two include some form of the word "clear". Obviously, you understand that ads should be immediately recognizable and distinct from regular content.

So why on Earth would you disguise them as Q&A?

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    Nothing screams "our ads are clearly ads and not to be confused with questions" like "let us have big arrows and boxed labels showing you where all the disambiguating elements are. in case you miss them". Commented 2 days ago
  • Well if you ignore XX% of the screen content, it's a pretty decent site - may be a realistic scenario of the future. Commented 2 days ago
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    If you have to explain to us why something is obvious at a glance, then it's not obvious at a glance. Commented yesterday
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Let me approach this from a different angle.

You may remember this old post of mine: link. Back then I told you that:

You are not different from the thousand other companies out there doing the same. But this also means you get no "special treatment", you don't get to be the "friend we trust and can make an exception for".

Your ads will be blocked, it doesn't matter if they are 15 second animations, if they use sound, if they try to stalk the users by abusing should-be-illegal-if-not-already hacks so dear to the advertisement world.

Since I posted that answer, not only didn't you reconsider your already not-so-great policies. Today, you managed to get even worse.

So... I have to ask you...
EXACTLY what makes you hope that we won't just block your invasive and now misleading ads like we did so far?
Let me give you an idiotic, stupid, shoot-yourself-in-the-foot suggestion like the ones you always loved in the past few years. Try to implement some server side check that requires viewers to watch animated ads in order to see the answers to a question. This still won't make you much money but could finally end up completely killing of the site and end this pathetic death tantrum spiral that you initiated when you attempted to sacrifice quality for fast money and AI nonsense.

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    I wonder if the entire reason “… the team worked very hard to make the ads feel like a part of the site…” is to make them more difficult to block without also blocking site content. I don’t believe for a second that tags were added for any other reason than to embed the ad into the content like a tick. Commented yesterday
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    @ColleenV and that would be the final reason to leave the site. But I confide them to not be competent/willing to pay enough to really bypass advanced solutions like umatrix / ublock. Commented yesterday
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    @ColleenV Furthermore... they have only ONE way to prevent domain based filtering: hosting the ads on their server. In which case we can finally held them legally responsible for the content they serve... I doubt they want to risk that... Commented yesterday
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    Sure, but this gets by the easy ad-block extensions. I don’t really browse any of the sites any longer so these ads are no skin off my nose. I typically use an AI agent to search for information these days. What’s depressing is that a lot of the internet is turning into AI slop and SE is pissing away the community willing to donate human-curated knowledge to the world. Someone should start a non-profit focused on the original mission of SO before it became about locking up our content to sell to AI companies and selling our waning engagement to advertisers. Commented yesterday
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    @ColleenV At the risk of sounding like a broken record... but that's what Codidact.com did. Non-profit, focused on content & community, no genAI. Commented yesterday
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    @S.L.Barthisoncodidact.com Sometimes you have to be a broken record to get the message in front of the right people at the right time. Commented 21 hours ago
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The “reduced ads” privilege does not apply [to the new native ads]

I still hope this is a joke1. If not, goodbye. I'd like to take my answers with me, thank you, please.

1: the rational part of my brain knows this is still the denial stage of grief over a death announcement.
Rest in peace, StackOverflow.

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    "I'd like to take my answers with me" Apart from the rest, you should be aware that this is unlikely to happen. But otherwise agreement. Maybe they thought that you like participating so much that a few "native" ads here and there don't bother you, but if so, they might very well miscalculate. Most people don't like ads. Commented yesterday
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I am asking myself this question: who is using SO and SE and how are the new native ads affecting the experience.

The way I see it there are three uses of the site:

  • seeking a solution to a specific problem you have
  • phishing for interesting problems for fun and engaging your brain
  • and contributing to the community by answering questions.

When you are searching for a specific problem you are not browsing the questions. You search (either internal search or external search) and or ask a new question. You don't really interact with the main and questions pages. So these native ads don't affect you, almost not at all. (until it's decide to put them between answers [sigh]).

But in the other two cases you actively browse for interesting questions. With the mindset and expectation of finding something interesting to either tease your brain, learn something new and or give back to the community by giving an answer.

This search of interesting questions already had two frictions:

  • filtering questions not relevant to you - fair enough and expected, no algorithm can know what exactly in my particular languages and tags I am familiar with or I find relevant. No big deal.

  • filtering bad questions. This is a big point of contention on this site for a while now. It's already generally a big deterrent to contributors the fact that we have to deal with a pretty big ratio of questions that waste everybody's time.

And now you introduce new friction:

  • filtering ads. When I am looking for interesting Q&As or when I am looking to help another dev now, I also have to navigate the land mines of native ads. I do not what to go to a site where someone is trying to sell me something. I just want to find new interesting Q&As and to help other programmers.

This to me shows that the heads driving this ship do not understanding the ship they are sailing, do not understanding the community. Stack Overflow community is one of the most tech inclined audience on the web. I bet this community has one of the highest percent usage of ad blockers. We are more ads adverse than the average internet user. We have a more hostile attitude towards intrusive ads.

These native ads add friction for users that are looking to contribute to the site.

I understand that the site needs to become profitable. I want this site to be profitable and self sustained for years to come. But I think this is not the answer and actually hurts the site in ways it wouldn't hurt other sites. I do not know what the solution is to becoming profitable, sadly I don't even know if it's possible at this time in this world context. But native ads that look like questions ain't it.

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  1. Will the native ads be targeted based on our SO/SE profiles?

  2. If a native ad uses a tag that matches one on my watch list, will it be highlighted just like other posts that match my watch list tags?

  3. If a native ad uses a tag that matches one on my ignore list, will it be hidden?

  4. If I click on a tag under a question, I get a new list of questions based on that tag. If I click on a tag in a native advertisement, will that still happen or will I be sent to the advertiser?

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    I mentioned in a comment on the question too -- ads with ignored tags will still be shown. Commented 2 days ago
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    quote: "Tags Work As Expected"... mhm. sure they do. Commented 2 days ago
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    1- The targeting is not based on the profiles, but on the topic tags and sites themselves. 2 - Watched tags (or ignored tags) within a native ad won't be highlighted/have the eye icon to show they are one of your watched tag. 3 - No. At launch, confirmed you'd still see the ad. At some point in the future after the initial launch, it may get blocked, but unlikely due to limitations on the amount of data sent via the ad request. 4 - The tag links still lead to tag index pages. They are not part of the advertisement and you will not be sent to the advertiser when clicking on a tag. Commented yesterday
  • @Dalmarus. Thanks for the info. Targeting based on the topic tags themselves makes sense if you're searching on a particular tag. If you're just viewing the Recent Questions list, then it sounds like there's nothing specific to target on, so one could expect a random sampling of ads cluttering up the list. Commented yesterday
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    Just to be clear about the technical aspect of the ads: The tags are part of the ad creative, but clicking them takes you to the regular tag page. Commented yesterday
  • @Dalmarus I'm pretty sure #2 is talking about the ad item as a whole- not just the tags inside the "native ad", judging by how "it" is compared to "other posts". Commented yesterday
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This does not inspire confidence in the idea that staff really wants Stack Overflow to be a repository of human-generated content.

Honestly, this makes me feel more like a product than a participant.

Here are at least two questions:

Are these ads going to be treated as content and treated with the same standards, or will you allow AI-generated copy in native ads?

Since vendors presumably do not need 1500 reputation to create tags, will they be able to create their own tags by paying?

Also, allowing ads to use tags that work like real question tags is not transparent. In fact, it's a horribly manipulative trick: Tags create the impression that these ads are real questions, and linking these tags to the real tag index compounds this deception.

These ads shouldn't even have tags! If you have to let ads piggyback on top of user tags, you should at least have a reserved tag that prominently identifies the post as an ad. This ad has to be larger and more legible than the remaining tags as well.

Then again, maybe all this is deliberate. You know what doesn't have native ads yet? AI Assist. Guess we should ask our questions there instead...

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Stack Exchange should run sidebar advertisements on the question pages instead of native ads in question lists and search results.

These kinds of people use Stack Exchange:

  1. Volunteers who are curating and answering questions. Based on meta posts over the past few months, they are already largely annoyed and looking for somewhere else to volunteer. They make Stack Exchange a lot of money, so we don't want to irritate them further. They probably mostly browse recent questions and questions with specific tags.
  2. People searching specific Stack Exchange websites. I don't know who would do this or why. They would use the search box.
  3. People arriving at Stack Exchange websites from search engine links. They view only question pages. They might well be at work and thus willing to suffer whatever is necessary to find answers to their questions.

As bolov points out, running native ads will raise friction for user types 1 and 2. You should be focusing on user type 3.

I know because I am myself type 3. I never use the site search boxes or view tag lists; I arrive at Stack Exchange questions from DuckDuckGo. I use an ad blocker; I had no idea that Stack Exchange websites ran ads until I saw this post. I use Stack Exchange websites mostly for work, so I will probably keep using it even if I see a few ads. But I'll never see an ad anywhere except on the question pages. Build your own advertising service so that my ad blocker won't hide them. I look at the sidebar sometimes; that's how I found out about this change.

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    Yes. this. Is a extremely valid point, side bar ads instead of inline-where-questions-n-stuff is. I agree 100% Commented 16 hours ago
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Most traffic to Stack Overflow is to individual Q/A pages from a search engine. If you're not actively trying to answer questions, there's no reason to browse the Questions page; most users only go to that page to login and go to a specific page they actually want.

Now put yourself in the shoes of users who actually scroll through the Questions page - users who answers questions. There are very few answerable questions in there as it is (whatever happened to improving onboarding anyway), adding more noise in there (an ad every 5 questions, really?! even Reddit has fewer ads lol) would make that page downright unusable. Why would I have to tiptoe around a landmine to compete for points with an AI Assist?

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Besides all the problems (to put it mildly) already mentioned - although it seems some of y'all at SE seem (looking at the comments) to be gathering some carefully selected part of feedback, it appears that the timeline is already set for the ads to run in January.

It may somehow not be the case, but it doesn't appear like there is enough time to actually get and reflect on the feedback and implement the changes (especially with the holiday season around the corner)? Is this post simply an announcement, and these ads will run in whatever state they will be in in said January?

...though I'm afraid we already know the answer to that one.

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    Cherry-picking only domesticated feedback? Picture me impressed not. But yes, this is your standard "already decided, we are just posting this to pretend we consider feedback but we will just reply to the crafted feedback that matches our plan" Commented 23 hours ago

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